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laura said she is up helping her border collie deliver he puppies. that's an important mission. as you know, "way too early" has been known to induce labor. >> and jamar is trying to figure out how to explain the heats loss to his chicago bulls co-workers. >> i'll explain it to you, derrick his chicago fans. >> lebron james, 28 points. dwyane wade, not so much. >> hello. i'm either tim pawlenty, mitch daniels or gary johnson. i understand that with such a crowded field of candidates, it's hard to tell us apart. we all look the same and our names are boring but whoever i am, there are some things i know to be true. i know i'm a white male between the ages of 45 and 60. i know i'm not donald trump or newt gingrich because you know what they look like, but i might be jon huntsman or john thume. my dad, the military, dogs,
church stuff. i am tim pawlenty, mitch daniels, john thume, rich johnson, tim daniels or john mitchman. >> okay. live look at a misty time square. good morning, everybody. it is monday, may 16th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst, mark halpe n halperin. national affairs editor, and in washington, msnbc political analyst, pat buchanan. it's big and back with us in new york, joe. >> joe scarborough is back. >> good to have you back. >> welcome back. >> thank you. >> and thanks for the lot of nice words over the past couple of weeks. >> tough time. >> and it really meant a lot to my mom and my family. i appreciate it. >> well, we've been trying to
hold down the fort while you were gone. it fell off the tracks a few times. >> well, i go home- >> there was this one morning with newt gingrich. it was really rough. >> i completely disconnected, seriously, but when they threw the paper and threw out your mom's paper and the paper boy goes, barnicle sucks in pensacola, florida, you know something happened. >> we found -- we had a moment where we struggled for balance. and there was none. >> and i heard there was zero balance. that's why i'm here, just to kind of -- what were you calling it, ivy wasn't good in chemistry, you need all elements. >> right. >> i'm the grease. >> then i heard last week, there was a -- that you were walking down the street after a wildly successful book event in
washington, where it was like beetle mania, all the women, i hate joe and all this stuff, and then margaret carlson grabbed you for the week awards and they're like giving out these awards, big black tie. >> for real work. >> then they asked you to talk about your book. >> that went badly. >> mika was like, why am i here? >> sorry about that. >> it was not a fight fit. >> it was not a shining moment for me. >> you know what they did the next morning in your absence? they ran a holiday clip show. >> did they really? >> thank you. i tried my best. >> that's all right. >> i'm just going to do the news because that's what i do. >> it was very nice. it meant a lot to my mom, the stuff all you guys were saying. >> it's a long road but we are really glad you're back. >> when i went down to pensacola, the red sox were like in last place. >> we'll get to that. >> a question how long it would
take you to get there. >> the little engine that could. >> let's start with the gop, the 2012 presidential race is starting to take shape as republican contenders get serious about their campaigns. rumored candidate, huckabee said he would not seek the republican nomination on his fox news show saturday night and later expl n explained the decision on fox news sunday. >> think i would have made a fine president. it came down for me a very personal, intimate, as i explained last night in the announcement, a spiritual decision. last night, i laid my head on the pillow and had a very good night's sleep and i was at peace with the decision. i am today. there may be a point at which i will endorse and right now i'll see how the race unfolds and listen carefully how they develop their message. i will support the republican nominee. i'm a republican. unless a person is way out there and not clear on issues to me non-negotiable like the sanctity of life, i belief donald trump
would be better for america than barack obama. he understands business. donald trump has taken a pro-life position, believes we're getting shanghaied by china, i agree with. >> as for donald trump, the "new york post" is reporting he plans to announce today whether or not he will run. one who is definitely in the race, newt gingrich, sat down with david gregory on meet the press yesterday where he criticized a house republican plan that would overhaul medicare. >> i'm against obama-care imposing radical change and i will be against a conservative imposing radical change. i believe all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care. >> you agree with mitt romney on this point? >> all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care. there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. i said consistently you either have health insurance or post a bond or in some way indicate you will be held accountable. >> that is an individual mandate, isn't it?
>> a variation on it. >> there you go. >> so much to talk about here. i want to work back to mike huckabee. let's first dissect what newt said. did he just, mark halperin, call paul ryan's health care plan radical? >> the did two pretty incredible things. first of all, newt gingrich calling you radical is something you need to think through and figure out his orientation. >> no. but -- >> he said the republican plan went too far, the first major republican figure not only to not embrace ryan but repudiate ryan and said it was a bridge too far for the country and went back to the position most republicans had during the clinton years that an individual mandate is a pretty darned good way to deal with the health care problem. two out there positions. >> pat buchanan, i don't get it with newt. of course, i rarely do. is he the moderate he was when
he started running in 1974, has he read the polls and instead of saying i'm the fire breather, is he now seeking the mushy middle and attacking paul ryan. >> is he reverting to rockefeller republicans since 1974, joe? i don't know, he has cut himself off not simply from the tea party but the vast majority of the republican party when you talk about that individual mandate cuch chinkuchinelli in is against. he not only distanced himself from ryan's plan i understand, he repudiated it almost entirely? he called it radical. >> he is out in basically, out on the left wing of the republican party on the most crucial, i think, economic issue, besides the economy itself. >> i have to say, this confirms my biggest concern about newt gingrich over the past 15 years,
rhetorically, he's far far right burt when push comes to shove, he's in the mushy middle. he didn't get run out of washington by us in '98 because, pat, he was a fire breather, he got run out of washington because he kept cutting deals with democrats, and they attacked us for being too conservative fiscally. what's his game here, pat? >> i don't understand this, joe. i can't think of a prominent republican nationally who is coming out for a national individual mandate, the obama position. >> attacking paul ryan. >> paul ryan as being radical, john heilemann, what's his game. you know gingrich. you have cops here every weekend at the track, what's his game? >> i find myself in the uncomfortable position defending newt gingrich, first, on the
question of the individual mandate, it may be now the mainstream of the republican party considers that, but it was not what the mainstream republican party thought not only in the 1990s but five years ago, there were governors all over the country, republican governors thought the individual mandate was the right way to deal with health care. >> let's talk about paul ryan, calling paul ryan's plan radical. >> the language is very harsh. i don't think there will be a single mainstream candidate who will embrace paul ryan's budget for president, some will not go that far as to call it radical but you will not hear, i don't think, tim others embrace it. the polls are way too negative for the mainstream presidential candidates to embrace that. i'll be shocked if one of the others wraps his arms around paul ryan. >> these presidential candidates are going to be the -- >> trying to get elected. >> pat, they're going to be the
republicans of the george w. bush years, spin spin spin. >> i'll tell you, what newt is doing is what the left wing of the democratic party is doing in that district up in new york, which is trashing paul ryan as a radical, as you said, joe, it's not simply saying ryan's got a courageous proposal, i'm taking a look at it. it's trashing it. this is the position of the democratic party and barack obama right now politically, they will take into the campaign of 2012, hammering ryan as a radical and newt gingrich has dealt them aces. >> it was newt night 1974 and '76, when he ran as a rockefeller republican. let me ask you, at least on spending, it's shocking, no, it's not shocking because it's newt. willie, what are we going to do when we can't have mike huckabee on 12 times a week.
i'm disappointed he's not rung. >> he carried our show. mondays with night. >> prayers with mike, blessings with mike. >> can you stay through the break? >> he literally did the weather once. >> mike, a great candidate and i think probably, i think personally the strongest republican candidate, willie. >> atop some of the polls. >> i guess this comes down and mike knows better than i do, his personal life, making a ton of money, happy, hasn't had money in his life, as donald trump pointed out in that bizarre greeting, your ratings are terrific, building a big house in florida, life is good, why do you want to get into this race. as pointed out last night, this leaves a big opening for someone to fill that social conservative hole. >> both at the grassroots level and leadership level,
conservatives want huckabee to run. why didn't he run? god told him not to. that's what he said. >> i don't think he said it that way. there's nothing wrong with trying to think about big decisions. >> that's the reason. >> he didn't say god told him not to. >> he sort of did. >> no. his faith plays a big part in a lot of our decisions that we make, but political ly, mark halperin, pretend you don't live on the upper west side. >> this is unprecedented. this race is crazy and wide open. we have never had the iowa front-runner, south carolina front-runner, evangelical call christian front-runner just say i'm not going to do it, it's never happened before. >> i spent time with him. three months ago i wrote a column and sat and talked to him in a casual way, i was interviewing him, i got the distinct impression then he would make this decision, if you listen to him talk about the thing about how happy he was
about his business endeavors, money he was making, the house he was building and how enthused he was about that versus the way he talked about the prospect of running for president, which was with -- he wanted to be taken seriously, the fact he didn't think people took him seriously as he should be taken, that animated resentment in him, i hate to use the cliche, he did not have a fire in the belly about this, i must do this, well, i can see the arguments for it. what he talked passionately about was the house he was building. >> we heard from some time, not that he doesn't like raising money but barack obama will raise over a billion dollars this year, i don't think it's about the money he's making now, about the price getting into this presidential race and didn't want to spend every
second raising the money. >> ultimately about beating obama. >> i think mike huckabee better than anybody else could have beaten barack obama, i don't think there is anybody else in the field i would say that about today. i think mike huckabee with the right money could have beat barack obama. >> so those around the president believe that. >> who does this leave? >> mitt romney and donald trump. >> george wills wrote this leaves us with tim pawlenty and mitch daniels and didn't mention mitt romney. does this make it more likely mitch daniels gets in? >> i don't think it impacts his decision. another guy without a lot of fire in the belly. >> pat, i'm sorry, what do you think? >> i agree huckabee was about the strongest candidate in this primaries and caucuses, republicans had. he, like sarah palin and michele bachmann got these follows and
fire, this leechesaves a huge v. my guess is huckabee isn't getting in it for this reason, looked at it down the road and didn't think he could beat obama. i think he would have fire in his candidacy. i still think romney is stronger for this reason. romney can win blue states even if he's not loved by red states. huckabee is loved by red states but bumps his head when he comes north of the may joson dixon li >> one of the most attractive things about mike huckabee in 2008 was that incredibly pitthy and brilliant line he described himself, i'm a conservative but i'm not mad at anyone. that temperament is something republicans would do well trying to replicate going forward, all the candidates should focus on that, very important. >> also, while we talk about his faith and his prayers, he's also a christian, but -- and a
preacher but not angry christian or preacher. he actually would not support cutting off home heating oil assistance to the poor, it's just he's what could be called a matthew 25 christian, who believes that you don't use the poor as political stunts. to say, i'm going to cut this program or cut that program for the poor? that may have been, mika, why certain organizations on the right did not like him, he was not harsh enough in many respects, especially economic issues. >> it's a weird time for the republican party. one of the things going on -- >> a weird time for that imf fellow. >> this is one of those stories that gets on the fronts page of the daily news, "new york post" and financial times because it's actually affecting world markets. the head of the international
monetary fund and possible presidential contender in france, dominique strauss-kahn expected to be arraigned this mark after he allegedly assaulted a hotel maid in new york. >> you know what they think in new york, they think sarkozy set it up. my aunt said, come on, aunt carolyn thinks sarkozy set it up. >> i don't think you want to quote aunt carolyn right now. >> who's to say she's not right. >> he was arrested saturday just as he was about to take off in a plane bound for paris. authorities knew where to find him after he had called the hotel about his missing cell phone. police coached hotel security to tell the imf chief his phone would be returned to the airport, after strauss-kahn boarded his plane, the police came in to make the arrest. >> the more ral of the story, leave your cell phone. >> serious charges here, quiet
now. strauss-kahn spent most of yesterday at the special victims unit as they looked for additional evidence. >> the story is he assaulted somebody? >> a maid went running down the hall. >> sodomized -- >> come on, man. >> that's the charge. >> just come on, seriously? >> that's the charge. you can tell i'm back in new york. seriously? we get halperin greg on, he p -- prayed -- and you guys -- >> i said what huckabee said the reason was. >> the only way to make a decision. >> george washington did it, good enough for george, it's good enough for me. >> i agree. >> what! >> what do you mean? george washington would always pray. >> i thought you were talking about that -- sorry, can't keep up with you. all right. trying to keep you from making
jokes about a serious rape charge. >> no, no, i was talking about prayer. >> good. >> when we come back, "politico." brand-new poll out this morning, that may have some good news for president obama. the numbers straight ahead. also ahead, congresswoman jim clyburn and author of "newsweek" and the daily beast, first, to bill karins with a check on the forecast, bill. >> welcome back, only two hours and 40 minutes to go, joe. you'll make it. the forecast doesn't look great. what we saw yesterday is what you will see today, right through this week, as nice as last week was is as ugly as this week is going to be. rain showers and widespread, cloudy and dreary, forecast, heaviest rain later on this afternoon and tonight any thunderstorms, check out the forecast for d.c., chance of rain each and every day, i think the most soaking rain is tuesday
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potter character. you have to trust newt gingrich, he's been married three times. >> time to look at the morning papers, "new york times," the united arab emirates confirms it has hired a company ran by bl k blackwater worldwide to support its military. forcing governor jerry brown to break his pledge of giving california voters a vote on a series of tax hikes. he now says he will seek to enforce higher taxes first and get voter approval later. arriving in islamabad, senator john kerry said the united states reached a critical moment with pakistan and called very disturbing evidence of the
pakistani government's knowledge of insurgent sanctuaries. time for "politico." >> to mike allen. a look at the playbook. good morning. >> happy monday, guys. >> the screaming headline across your website, obama polls well amid bad omens, you've done polling with george washington university. let's look at obama on the economy. >> this is a real game changer if this holds up. even though people are concerned about the economy, jobs, spending, they like president obama so much, as you can see, he's almost immune to how voters feel about that issue. voters are worried about the issue and he goes into the re-elect looking very strong. the administration is expecting unemployment in november 2012, when people go to the polls could be 8.2%. 9.0 now, not that much improvement. on paper, you might say that's a rel corrosive indicator for the
president. what we're seeing in this battleground poll of "politico" from george washington university is his other characteristics, including the way people feel about him on national security after the osama bin laden takeout really might help him weather that storm. >> the white house likes that 42% number in light of all the economic data that's out there? >> yeah. because you would expect people are worried about the economy, they don't approve so much of how he's doing on the economy, and yet they still like barack obama as a person, as a president. we could expect to see the president more and more in settings where people get to see his family, get to see him and are being reminded why they liked him in 2008. he can't run on change, but he can run on being a barack obama and people like that still. >> and those head to head matchup, president obama versus mitt romney. 51% of people in your poll said
they would definitely or probably choose the president over mitt romney. >> what we see here with mitt romney and tim pawlenty, we see the president starts strong against them. i think that's what we're going to see with this re-election campaign, sort of a colin powell doctrine, overwhelming force, starting with a huge advantage and they will work to preserve that wit funding, big grassroots operation, by going into a lot of states they don't look strong, people don't expect them to. june 30th, the first closing date for the 1st financial report, possible when those numbers come out, president obama will have raised more than all the republicans put together. he will try and use that to project confidence even when tough times for the country. >> 13 points. wow, pat buchanan, are you surprised at a 13 point spread between barack obama and mitt romney? >> i really am, joe, mike's
right. it's a real testament, a very likable man, has a wonderful sense of humor, the white house correspondents dinner, those kinds of things are 100% winners for him. >> mm-hmm. >> coming up, what rahm emanuel plans to do, day one on the job today, as he takes over. >> he's not major yet. >> a long haul. >> long transition. >> it really was. >> sworn in today. >> okay. >> plus -- >> elected in 1978. >> this is the dunk that pretty much summed up last night's game between the bulls and heat. dwayne wayne's grill. highlights and maybe one baseball game. [ female announcer ] sun damage is on the rise. now use the best suncare
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news. annual palestinian day of mourning marks the 1948 founding of israel. it sparked violent clashes leaving at least 15 people dead. protesters localized by calls on facebook marched along hezbollah's borders with lebanon, and syria and gaza where israeli forces opened fire on the crowds. 14 wounded, none seriously. prime minister benjamin nat tanya h tanya -- netanyahu said he told the military to open with restraint. palestinians say it describes the displacement of hundreds of thousands after israel's founding. a plan fosave louisiana's two biggest cities from massive flooding is under way. the corps of engineers opened a total of nine bays so far on the organza spillway to prevent water from the mississippi river from adding pressure to the levees in baton rouge in new
orleans. the water released could impact as many as eight rural parishes and flood 10,000 structures and 25,000 people, has officials urging residents to evacuate the region immediately and residents in the flood zones are doing whatever they can to save their property before they leave. a nightmare down there again. in chicago, rahm emanuel will be sworn in as the city's 46th mayor taking over for the retiring mayor, the first new mayor in 22 years. vice president biden is scheduled to attend the swearing in. according to local officials, emanuel will put a freeze on much of the city's spending starting today to fulfill a promise to cut $75 million from the previous mayor's budget. that's a look at the news. a lot going on and a lot going on in sports. i hope you start with the right stories. >> i don't have time for
baseball. >> no. it's early season, nobody cares. >> a lot of nba. with chicago, bulls and heat in the eastern conference finals. second quarter, bulls off the turnover, c.j. watson, to gibson, puts dwyane wade on a poster. check it out, after the foul, dwyane wade said i got pumped. at the half, chris bosh star for the heat, 30 points, keeping the game close. and lebron james was held to 15 points and a bad night. blocked there by gibson. watch derek rose, 28 points, the league mvp, they get a 17 point lead there and gibson with a finishing touch. a one-handed put-back. gibson blowing out the heat last night. 103-82. a couple more things to get to,
real tight. oklahoma city thunder against the grizzlies, kevin durant looking to bounce back after game six. drains a long three there. >> these are not real people. >> durant pouring it on? >> what are you doing, willie? >> does oklahoma city have a basketball team? >> they do and they're damn good. drains a three right there. >> i saw them play the globetrotters once. >> beautiful pass here. >> 39 points, westbrook had a triple-double. they move onto the western conference final. >> oklahoma city has a great team. >> really good team. >> where do they come from? >> seattle. >> great team. >> team of the future. >> and memphis, joey tells me these things but said memphis had a great series. >> they were the eighth seed, knocked off the spurs. >> red sox versus yankees sunday night in the bronx. >> got to go to a break here.
>> you want to keep going? jorge posada on the bench after apologizing for refusing to play sunday. new york up 2-1, next inning, red sox strike back with kevin youkillis three run shot to tie it up. >> they're saying yuke. >> fifth inning, david ortiz breaks his back but still muscles it into the stands. >> willie, isn't this great. >> when posada came in, had to pinch-hit and they gave him a standing ovation amid the controversy when he refused to go in saturday. >> i was shocked. >> i was shocked brian cashman commented on national television about one of his players? . >> i was, too, especially that player, they call him the core four, a beloved yankee having a tough season. >> i don't follow cashman that much. i think that's shoddy.
>> out of character. >> usually a quiet guy. >> what posada did was pretty shoddy. >> refused to play. >> put him at 9th, at him hitting 9th. >> a personal peek, i cannot be demoted. he was only hitting .195. >> if you decide not to write an article i week for your magazine, your boss isn't going to take you out into the street and yell at you, take you into the office and talk quietly. i thought cashman stirred it up for a guy that's done a lot for the yankee organization there's no rule he has to talk about a yankee problem. >> the first red sox sweep of yankees since 2004. red sox at .500. >> at .500 after the 0-6 start. >> glad you got that in, willie. >> seriously, marlins start out 1-7, sox are 2-8. >> sox started 0-6, now only
three games behind tampa. a game behind the yankees. >> can i ask quickly, i'm dead serious here, yanks have lost what, 9 of 12. what's happening? they've got the most expensive payroll. >> we'd be lucky to hang in for a couple weeks with the red sox. >> what are they paying for? >> given all the money -- >> jeter's mansion? the biggest payroll in all of professional sports. >> we just got the old guys back together for one last run. >> this isn't space cowboys. you guys are spending more money -- >> like a 46-year-old. >> they're like an old timers team. >> a good one. i want to show you this golf, if you play golf, you've been here. >> fascinating. >> dramatic finish. a long one on the 18th to send it to a playoff. if he makes this, they will go to another playoff. it was about a 2 1/2 footer he
missed and his son began to weep. k.j. choi puts it in for a win. you can see that for david toms, too bad. >> yeah. >> you do hate that. >> that is horrible. >> sorry to break it to you. >> gotcha. >> next, must read opinion pages, all very exciting. >> yeah. >> secretary robert gates on "60 minutes" last night, he said he believes the united states will turn the corner in afghanistan this year. >> wow. >> what did cheney say about iraq, we're in the throws of whatever, death throwes. you shouldn't ever say we're turning the country. i just don't take the bait. it ain't happening. >> he is a great leader. we will miss him at the pentagon. gates candidate? the secretary won't run for
anything. >> i know. he wants to go home. >> he deserves to go home. that guy has served this country so extraordinarily well. >> eighth president. >> we always complain there aren't these larger than life figures in washington. that guy is one. >> party aside, for the sake of the country. >> a guy who put party aside for the sake of the country. >> a republican now serving barack obama admirably and well. >> exactly. >> tomorrow, mika is in new jersey. i was there, great store. >> great. >> books and greetings. 7:00 in northyale, new jersey. hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices?
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we are getting the upper hand. we have, over the last 18 month, put in place, for the first time, the resources necessary to insure this threat does not rebuild, does not reemerge once we're gone. i think we could be in a position by the end of this year where we have turned the corner in afghanistan. >> and more troops could come home? >> more troops could come home. >> welcome back to "morning joe." >> bob gates says it, i want to know what's behind those words because he's a guy that doesn't -- he doesn't follow the party line blindly. that's a fascinating insight from secretary gates. >> he doesn't mince words. >> what do you think? >> one of the things he has done is work very closely with the secretary of state to not just engage in military activity but try to do economic development, try to nation build and they believe they've had success there and the taliban is weaker
than it's been. >> pat, we're skeptical of the war in afghanistan and have been several years now. you know secretary gates, great man and great leader, are you surprised he went that far out and says he thinks we may be turning the corner. >> i think he's one of the best. i agree with you 100%. we haven't won this war and the taliban are as strong as they have ever been and we will start drawing down troops in july and have them all out in 2014. is there anybody who thinks the afghan army and police, from what they've shown thus far, can do a job defeating the taliban americans an nato have been unable to do? i don't think so. >> and also whether we're turning the corner and can leave or we just should leave. at some point, one of those pressures is going to bear down on us.
>> for people who are hopeful the president will withdraw forces, on the politics of it, this is a good sign, to have secretary gates starting to say there is a context we can leave safely suggests they're starting to lay the groundwork for making that move. he's been very much in favor of the surge and troops in afghanistan. for him to be now saying it's safe to come home may be the beginning of starting to see them lay the groundwork for a pretty beginning of the withdrawal this summer. >> of f the president has not started to remove substantial number of troops by the time of the general election, i predict whoever the republican nominee is will -- >> start talking about that. >> tim heraltherington was talking to you before he passed away about going up to westpoint. we need to go up to westpoint. a remarkable group of people. >> do a show there. must read opinion pages, pat
buchanan, i want you to chime in on this arrest of the managing director of the imf, which does have international impact, a fairly serious situation. >> you know, this is really a bad day for the new world order, i will tell you. look, you have the charlie sheen of global finance running the imf. >> my goodness? the seriousness of it is this. he is dead as a presidential candidate in france. good news for sarkozy, out of the imf, more important, this will bring a focus on the imf, which through the back door has been putting the american taxpayers on the hook to bail out greece and ireland and european countries bailouts of those european banks. ron paul is right on top of this, and, joe, i see this as bringing the imf, at this critical point, when the bailouts in europe are in big trouble, it will put a like light on the one institution other than the european central
bank, baling out these european countries and banks. >> wow. >> mark halperin. >> it's just -- no, now, you're being a child. >> no. you're being a child. seriously. >> no. have you seen the vigorously -- >> what are you talking about? >> seriously, mark halperin, $3,000 a night suites, deal with air france, you can walk on any first class plane you want. i think a lot of people might be shocked how the lap of luxury imf leaders live. >> yes. he was staying in a $3,000 a night suite at the expense of the imf, that's scandalous right there. >> there's a sense of entitlement that will beat you. >> he was beating sarkozy in the polls, not a maid up story. >> not a fringe character and
considered a strong leader of imf before this seen as somebody bringing new accountability and lauded by people over the last couple of years. >> we never got to the must reads. the headline of one, lincoln would weep at the gop's 2012 field. >> let me guess. e.j. -- >> boom. >> it could be anyone today right now. willie, what's coming up next? >> i will show you a little snl, president obama taking a victory lap after the death of president obama saying i can do anything, smoking on stage, doing stand-up having a couple drinks at a political rally. ♪
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dance. killed bin laden! >> did a shuffle right there. >> it was very funny. kept getting better. turns it into a full on stand-up routine. this guy knows what i'm talking about. very good. friday, if you were in washington, many our viewers were, you might have seen mr. steven colbert. >> i love him. >> storming the capitol building. has a thing called colbert super pack, trying to make a point. he went to capitol hill and the federal election commission as well on friday. check it out. >> i believe in the american dream. and that dream is simple. that anyone, no matter who they are, can grow up to create a legal entity, which could then receive unlimited corporate funds, which could be used to influence our elections.
if there's some who don't want you to have colbert super pack, but you know what, i don't know about you but i'm not willing to ride in the back of the bus, especially since with all this super pack money, i will be riding in a private jet. who wants to ride in the jet with me? god bless you! and god bless the united states of america, i will now shake your hand for one dollar apiece. >> wouldn't you know, he worked the crowd and people were handing him one dollar bills. >> i love it. >> steven colbert in washington friday. still ahead, congressman m jim -- [ ticking ]
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i'm going to support the republican nominee, i'm a republican. unless a person is way out there on issues that are non-negotiable including the sanctity of life. i believe donald trump would be better than barack obama because he understands business. donald trump has taken a pro-life position, and believes we are getting shanghaied by china, i agree with. >> all right. the shuttle "endeavour" set to take off in two hours and on
board is mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords, who will be there. she tweeted this morning and looking forward to witnessing her husband as he and his crew take off on the space shuttle endeavor, taking that live here on msnbc. with us, back at the table, john heilemann, pat buchanan in washington and joining the table, the editor in chief of "the daily beast," tina brown. >> one of the stories we didn't talk about this weekend. i'm sorry, what's mitch daniels life's name? >> we did talk about it friday. cheri. we are still talking about cheri this weekend and tina brown the good wife for 2012th.
2012. >> a good smart piece in "newsweek" and the problem is we have so many multiple roles for the candidate's wife. the old thing of baking cookies and standing there looking tweet or somehow like hillary, too quote aggressive, that dichotomy is finished, now, we expect them to do everything. >> smile, wave, solve libya. >> and not be too chic and not too chic. >> the quandary of today's woman, no matter what you do, it will garner criticism. >> it's very amusing in a sense. they joust their different roles and what they can do. if they decide they want to be really independent, judith dean was, howard dean's wife, they are seen as quiet and disengaged and we have it with cindy mccain finally letting it all hang out
and saying how incredibly difficult it was an jenny sanford saying it shouldn't happen to a dog. >> there are interesting stories among some republican contenders, makes this all the more timely because they have some really interesting stories. >> pat buchanan, how have things changed since you first started working in washington on what's expected of first ladies. >> joe, i was a great admirer and friend and worked with pat nixon and thought she was terrific. she was much more reticent when it came to the role of involving herself in issues and making comments and taking positions and the rest of it. the contrast is hillary clinton in 1992. i think there is a role and i think the press respects them if they take the pat nixon or mamie
eisenhower role or clinton role and respects them. >> who is the perfect wife? >> i think michelle obama is doing the best she can, a high powered woman who decide stood knock herself into this other role being as uncontroversial as she can be at the same time, a lot of women disappointed she's not more out there and constantly having to joust with that. >> there is one great line as what it takes to run, is your spouse enthusiastic about your running or not. cheri daniels is one example, someone obviously very reticent about her own role but very scared of this process. on the other hand, mary pawlenty, thinks her husband is
totally and wants to win this race. from the standpoint of candidate, that makes a huge difference, whether your spouse is all in with you or doesn't want any part of this. >> actually, that is becoming more and more of a trend. we now have the people like mrs. barber who said, i'm not doing it and don't want you to do it. the candidates do have to seek their wife's buy-in and can't hope and accept their wife will go along and unless they get that buy-in and not likely to be effective and could bring them down. >> you do get a sense michelle obama or laura bush were thrilled about their husband running for president. >> i remember interviewing michelle obama long before her husband ran for president and i
remember her feeling a lot of different things about it but really exuberant was not one of them but she truly believed he should win, which is a big difference. >> i'm looking for a first lady who adores it. in some ways, i feel the last crop have really been sufferers in a sense. you felt laura bush was suffering and smoking and waiting it out. >> let's get to the news, great article, we can get back to other aspects. the head of the international monetary fund and presidential candidate in france possibly and he was arrested this morning after he allegedly assaulted a hotel maid in new york. police arrested strauss-kahn after he was about to take off on an plane at the kennedy airport. police knew where to find him
because he called about his missing cell phone and the police coached the hotel to tell him it would be returned to him at the airport and police came in to make an arrest. strauss-kahn, most of yesterday at the manhattan special victims unit as prosecutors looked for additional evidence. he is, of course, making all the headlines across the world, really, from the "new york post" and daily news to the "wall street journal" and the "financial times." pat buchanan, this could have reverberations around the world, as it pertains to the markets. >> i think, yeah, what it's going to do, it will make the imvery controversial in the congress, especially republican house, and ron paul on the job. a $3,000 a night suite paid for by american taxpayers and look at american taxpayers being bailed into the bailouts of greece and ireland, bailouts of the european banks, i think this could get very very big because there's already resistant,
finland, slovakia, germany to any more bailouts of countries like greece, frankly,i would predict, greece will have to default. >> all because of this? >> a very precarious time. a lot of economies are in a precarious position and portugal, spain heading towards needing a financial rescue, to have the imf, a huge player on all those fronts, to have it essentially headless at this moment has major consequences for what might happen in terms of the european economy, a lot of european governments start freaking about this and rightly so. >> gordon brown is calling for collaboration between economists and what we did in the first meltdown of 2008 and will have more if we don't. this imf debacle is exactly what we don't really need. incredible about him. seems to me the behavior is quite staggering, already been called a rotting chimpanzee by
another woman he aggressioned. >> there is a history. >> rotting -- >> rotting chimpanzee. then when he has an affair at the imf, guess what? the woman leaves, always is the case, when this affair happens, always the woman pushed out. >> certainly couldn't be his fault. move on. yes. now this -- i don't know how the gets around this one, honestly, the maid attacked him, don't think so. >> pat. >> say a young joe scarborough coming into congress 1995, popular conservativist, you see this thing coming down with this huge international institution, get gigantic salaries and taking american bucks and baling out foreign banks, what do you do as a populist conservative? >> no doubt about it, even without -- even without sodomy charge against an imf head in
1995, those of us that came in '95, no wto, no nafta, no this, no that. when you come from populist conservative districts, you reflexively don't want the imf to be spending money propping up other governments if it comes indirectly through u.s. tax dollars, especially when america's in debt. i'm not saying that's right or wrong, i'm answering your question politically. so, pat, i guess, though, the question is, though, what is the alternative? what happens when greece goes belly up? portugal? spain, and we can go around the continent there. ireland. what's the alternative? you're talking about ron paul, the auditor. what happens if the imf just closes shop, of course it won't but it would suggest it should.
>> here's what i'm saying. i don't know that the imf and the germans have it to bail out greece again. you have "financial times" columnist, joe, who are very moderate people, new world order types saying, look, greece can't pay 24% on 10 year bonds or three year bonds. they have to have some kind of default. extend them some way, give the bondholders a haircut. you do that and that has nothing to do with what's going on with this character. you do that and all these people that invest in bonds will want higher interest rates because of the risk factor. i think europe is teetering right now what they're going to do when greece defaults. i don't think there's any doubt about it. >> john, the germans have been carrying greece and the rest of the eu, for the most part, on their shoulders. at some point, the germans say enough. >> this is the point we're coming to, the funny point
nobody mentions, this guy was flying to germany to go talk to angela merkel, to try to keep the germans on board. there has been this split, as pat pointed out, north europeans who want to get tougher with largely southern european kris and imf, where this guy had been one of the major voices for continuing to try to help them along, bail them out, imposing austerity measures. without the imf's voice, you may end up with northern europe now having the ability to cut these countries off and some defaults may actually happen in the context of this broader political situation. >> the impact, greece, ireland, portugal, spain, four germans carrying so much of the continent on their shoulder. >> gordon brown is saying this idea of international collaboration is evaporating because the will has evaporated
and everyone has gone into their mini lateralism, he calls it the opposite what was happening in 2008. that will be very dangerous and now these antics will make it more unlikely. >> this could have a big impact on french politics and european politics. this guy had not declared yet but expected within the next month to jump in, run in the primary as socialist candidate. if you look at polls, he was leading car sozy handily, it was a long way out but a guy who could challenge him and knock him out of the office. >> some of the french press are saying frame-up, doesn't look like a frame-up. >> i don't know how he gets around this. they're trying to make it look like he was set up. >> to go one step further, the european economy, the eu in general falls behind in terms of demand and consumption and all that stuff, that will have an effect on the american economy, not just a european problem, or southern european problem, we're
a global economy, you look up, you're barack obama, you have another headache in europe what seems like a tabloid scandal story. >> if this is true, it is the result of a pattern that went out of control that nobo nobody -- nobody tried to stop. >> his wife almost feels sort of shrugging it off. clearly an accident about to happen. i would quite like to know what angela merkel is saying. she must sometimes feel they are the only -- >> founded by crazies. >> the story of your life, surrounded by crazies. >> well, it's canceled tomorrow because there's a problem at jfk. >> a little problem. >> we have also a lot of political news. >> absolutely. >> we haven't touched on we'll talk about. the republican field really shaken up. >> yeah. coming up, republicans and democrats continue to argue over the debt ceiling as the national debt clock ticks closer to the
14$14.3 trillion limit. kelly o'donnell joins us next to talk about that. first, to bill karins but check on the forecast. >> the soggy forecast, not just today but all week. radar not filled in that much. cloudy and humid. and green is where the rain is. right now, a lot of scattered showers in new york city and areas of northern new england. maine will get drenched and thunderstorms in cape cod in an hour or two. forecast, carry your umbrella not just day but week throughout this region. as far as southeast, chance of storms in atlanta. watching what's happening in florida, as of now, the space shuttle forecast looks good, temperatures near 70 degrees, light winds, weather not a factor in the launch and that's coming up shortly at 8:56 a.m. we bring that to you. she sits on the launchpad and crew is strapped jinx ready to go. aaah!
this is actually a great opportunity to address this burgeoning problem. we have a $14 trillion debt as big as our economy, which makes us look a lot like greece and over and above that we have $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities, promises we made, popular programs, medicaid, medicare, social security, obligations we can't meet. it's an opportunity to come together and those talks are under way led by the vice president. joining us from washington, kelly o'donnell, are we looking at potentially some sort of deal on the debt ceiling? >> eventually. how long and how ugly will it get? mitch mcconnell mentioning greece, doing it very often
these days more often than the waiters in my new york city neighborhood at one of my favorite place, trying to always refer to the world consequences. we're hearing from this desire to get the debt ceiling and magic day having to shuffle around to pay its bills. what are the different options, what is known as the senate six, three republicans and democrats have a lot of problems and seems to have been eclipsed with the group working with vice president biden and republicans like mitch mcconnell saying unless the president is directly involved no deal has the credibility to go forward. you have both parties saying the debt ceiling must be raised but how to get there. there are certainly republicans, namely tea party sort of affiliated republicans who say there's got to be extraordinary spending cuts, even speaker boehner is saying unless there are cuts that exceed what the
increase would be, this is a non-starter. it's going to be tough, leines n the sand, all of that. >> how to get to a deal. a little bit of criticism. pat buchanan, wouldn't he be the one? joe biden probably knows capitol hill more than anybody in that white house. >> yes, he would. last week on the "wall street journal," this fellow with soros took down the bank of england said he is long on u.s. bonds because he believes a deal with be done to cut that budget. if they pass this debt ceiling and raise it up without any kind of big deal, he will get out of u.s. bonds because he will be sure down the road the big default is coming. there's a real debate here. i think the republican position, i think, has some real strength behind it, we've got to do it now are we are risking the big default down the road. >> mark halperin. >> on this question of whether
raising the debt ceiling is essential or not, whether it could hurt the country if it didn't happen, do you sense any difference in the body language or nuance, based on your reporting between speaker boehner or mitch mcconnell or are they communicating in sync whether to blink if that becomes necessary. >> i don't see daylight between mcconnell and boehner and some who believe in the tea party realm, a default would not be as critical and world shattering as some predict. that's not the mainstream view i hear. one of the views you're also hearing discussion about, trigg triggers, caps, ways to force the hand of congress if they cannot get it done themselves by having a deal if in some future time there is not the kind of spending reductions or a point the deficit is reached it would automatically trigger and real differences of opinion whether that makes sense. you have boehner calls those gimmicks and democrats say that's a way to bring about
restraint and they'd like to see it include tax increases. some of this gets complicated and a thousand ways to look at it. the emotional sense i get on the hill, people are fully expecting this will go as close to the brink as possible. boehner saying let's act now and do it now to avoid what pat is talking about, the appearance of not getting any action done. many people think this will be a long hot summer. >> i hear pat. >> what about boehner and mcconnell, what do you sense between daylight between democrats on capitol hill and the white house? >> that's a good question. i think where you have the president wanting to have some discussion of even looking at entitlements and things like that and how could that be done in a way that would not totally rock the boat, you have someone like harry reid, who has put his own line in the sand and saying no on social security, no on some of these other entitlements, it would seem to me that reid is taking a
stronger liberal position than the white house, but the president, of course, is trying to be in the center now, in the kind of dawn of the new campaign season and he is certainly going to be the person to watch on this because while biden has, as mika pointed out, great ties, leverage and understanding in the senate, the president will ultimately have to weigh in here and his credibilitied will certainly be as important as anyone's in this discussion. >> tina brown. >> how much is obama's new energized political capital post osama going to be helpful in this new round? obviously that political capitol h -- capital has to do with national security but does seem like he's a far more confident figure after this? >> certainly in the decisive category, he has gotten a lot of credit from members in both parties about his willingness to make a gutsy call. you hear that all the time. on the hill they do draw distinguish between national
security and economic issues and for republicans, the economy is something they think is their best argument. it's really all about leverage. you're right, the president has a certain standing that has been enhanced by the events of the last few weeks. this is a really tough issue and the economy has not been perceived as his strongest suit throughout his presidency. this one is tough. getting the american people to understand the stakes is something i hear people talking about quite a bit. >> pat buchanan, what do you think this deal is going to look at? >> i don't know they're going to get a big deal to be honest. i don't think they will get the big thing they want. i think it will look like something we promised to do this. this is a problem for the president because all of -- everybody knows that we're at least within visible distance of the cliff of default. if something like that should happen on barack obama's watch, there is no way he is not blamed for it because the republicans, whatever you say about them, the ryan plan, had all these ideas,
they tried. this is a very, very dangerous game, i think for both parties. in the long run, i think the great risk belongs to barack obama because he's sitting in the cat bird seat. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. good to have you. come back soon. congressman jim clyburn will join us, here in the studio today. next, the government releases millions of gallons of water. but scores are caught in the path where the water is headed, next on "morning joe."
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i'm ready to cut a deal today. we don't have to wait until the 11th hour but i am not going to walk away from this moment. we have a moment, a window of opportunity to act. if we don't act, the markets will act for us. i am committed to making sure that we have real deductions in spending and real changes to the budget process so this problem will never occur again. >> 37 past the hour, joining us now, democratic representative from south carolina, and assistant democratic leader, congressman jim clyburn. today is the day we hit the $14
trillion debt limit. >> what happens now? >> we have until the 2nd of august. >> how did that happen? how did you guys buy a couple more months? >> it's drama. we had a countdown clock. >> who do you call? god? can you give us a couple more months? >> god can't give it to us, wrong g. >> who gave you a couple more months? >> that's the debt ceiling. i'm on the sixth congress political committee along with the vice president trying to work out the differences. >> are you guys getting close? >> i think so. the atmosphere in the room is great. i think everybody understands that there's got to be cuts in e expenditures and we have come to grips with that. i think there has to be some revenue raised. that's where we have not come to grips. >> democrats say you guys have a
new ally over the weekend, somebody went on "meet the press." >> congratulations. >> you guys have been pounding paul ryan as being too radical, well, you have a friend. let's roll the tape. >> i'm against obama-care imposing radical change and i would be against a conservative imposing radical change. i believe all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care. >> iyou agree with mitt romney? >> i believe all of us have a responsibility to pay for health care and there are ways to do it that make most libertarians happy. you either pay for it or post a bond or at some point be held accountable. >> that this is individual mandate, is not? >> newt newt gingrich believes paul ryan's plan is radical. >> i agree with newt gingrich as soon as you do. you've been trying to hand this guy off for 10 years. >> he says paul ryan's plan is radical. >> i do agree with that.
>> you just agreed with him. >> okay, on that point- >> there you go. newt. >> thank you so much for letting me have him. we will hand him back to you. >> is paul ryan's plan radical? >> i think it is, no question. >> do you agree with newt gingrich there should be an individual mandate? >> i do. newt has begun to agree with us on that. he's been some place else for a while, although most republicans i know were there with individual mandates 10, 15 years ago, i don't know what happened during the interim except maybe they didn't do it. >> mark halperin, help me out here. >> sounds like we have a gingrich-clyburn -- >> 2012. >> strong coalition. >> all the way from georgia to south carolina. >> what is newt's thinking? newt has been going for the tea party vote and also his rhetoric has been so bombastic, suddenly, he goes on "meet the press" and
calling the gop plan radical. >> there's two politically appealing things about it. number one, a lot of older people vote not just in the general election and iowa and early republican states. the other thing is the ryan plan is not going to become law. the best republicans can hope for it's a talking point and piece of leverage, in all likelihood, if the current polls stand, this is going to be a negative for republicans at all levels in the 2012 election. a smart candidate, and gingrich is smart, thinks about the general election, if you're going to run in the general election, better off being against the ryan plan and barack obama than for it. >> republicans running for president have suddenly lost the courage they claimed to have last year. >> the fact of the matter is, when you drill down, those cuts ryan is talking about are so devastating to people, the regular people that ultimately, when they do start to drill down and hit the street, it's clearly going to be a loser.
what i feel is mitch mcconnell said last week, this would be a grand bargain between the two parties. but that's when both sides give something up, ie, republicans get their cuts and democrats get tax increases. that doesn't seem to be a factor in anybody's discussions. >> it may not be a factor at this point, but i do believe we all realize we have to get there and i feel very good about the atmosphere in the room. i think if we continue to meet, as we have been meeting, our staffs are meeting this week, i think that when we get back next week, we'll get serious about looking at both sides of that equation to see how best to go forward. >> i'm very optimistic we will get something done. >> are you optimistic republicans will accept a deal that involves tax increases. >> i'm optimistic that -- you call them tax increases, we call it eliminating subsidies and
really having an effective tax collection. if you talk about a 35% corporate rate, what difference does it make if it's 75% if you've got all these loopholes? if you're closing loopholes, i don't think you're increasing taxes and the american people want us to close up the loopholes, want everybody to put skin in this game. i think that's where we're headed. i would not call that tax increases. >> i agree with that. i'm not sure everyone around the table would and not sure you do. i should ask, also explain the language being used here. you say you feel we're really close to getting to a deal and yet speaker boehner and other top republicans will say taxes are not even on the table. what is that code for? what does it mean? how does it get on the table then? >> they're not going to raise the corporate tax rate and they're going to fight to not raise the rates we have with the bush tax cuts. as the congressman said, it doesn't matter if you tax
corporations at 99% if you have loopholes that allow them to pay zero percent taxes. it doesn't matter if you raise the bush tax cuts levels from that level up to 95%, if warren buffet is still paying 14% at the end of the day, you're leaving a lot of tax revenue there. corporations are sending billions and billions of dollars offshore. >> right. >> we have to figure out a way to capture that as well, not because -- not because people want to raise taxes but because even republicans, they want to be able to go back and say, hey, secretary working at a law firm in columbia, south carolina, we're going to make sure that warren buffet doesn't pay less of a percentage of his income to the federal government than you. i think that's where the grand compromise is. >> yes. >> as far as revenue goes. the other side of that also is -- i'm sorry -- medicare,
you're going to have to tell people that are 50 and younger, you're not going to get the same medicare your parents are getting, you're not going to get the same social security benefits your parents are getting. that's part of the grand bargain. this is what scares me right now. medicare is the big driver over the next 30, 40 years, that will turn us into greece. but now you have republicans like newt gingrich running for the hills, you have other mainstream republicans that are running along with democrats, so nobody -- who is the major figure out there right now saying entitlements over the next 30, 40 years, bankrupt us. pat, let's bring you in here. because republicans have been looking at those polls that newt has been looking at and it's sort of at 2, brutus. paul ryan has 50 knives in his back now. >> i do agree that ryan's plan basically is dead, joe. i agree 100%, if you don't touch
social security and medicare and medicaid, you are not serious. i just don't see the democratic party -- these are really the altar pieces of the democratic party, they're proudest of, the idea they're going to start cutting in these areas and unemployment insurance and food stamps and earned income tax credit, i just don't see it. as for newt, i agree, we talked the last hour, when you call ryan's plan radical, that is difference than saying it's courageous, i have to take a look at it, you come out for the individual mandate, joe, you must be writing off today 75% of the republican party which has that as a major issue overturning that in she supreme court. >> congressman, i want to separate what pat said, unemployment insurance and these other things aren't the big drivers of long term debt, they're just not. they're a very, very small percentage. i will use the term that drives a lot of people crazy, it ain't
those benefits for the poor, it's middle class entitlements like social security and medicare over the next generation that bankrupt us. why can't we tell people 50 and younger, you're going to be getting your social security and medicare later than your mom and grand-mom did. >> i don't know about later. i think we ought to look at the ca caps. we ought to raise those caps, $106,000 income -- >> you're going from the tax side again. there's no compromise if you don't say, we're going to raise revenue but also we have to cut benefits over the next generation. >> remember what we did last year, nobody gives us credit for that except we got beaten around the shoulders and maybe the head as well because of the cuts we put in medicare last year. that's what they used against us. >> not to be rude, you used that money to start a new entitlement, though. how about cutting and saving that money? >> i don't know we can't do that. i think we can get there.
all i'm saying is the willingness to go into medicare, we've demonstrated that. now, the question is, what do you do afterwards? you call it the new entitlement, i think we were actually developing a safety net. i don't think we can take the safety net for people living in golden years and don't believe you can take away opportunities for young people and that's why ryan is so radical, not only going after seniors but going after young people- >> hold on, you're just copying what newt said. >> i don't want to be like newt. it bothers me to no end. ne we've got a lot of differences. given one more month, i will have a silver anniversary. there's a lot of difference between newt and me. >> okay. >> you are, though, at the end
positive, you're inside the small room, you think a grand compromise is going to be made? >> i really believe so. i feel good about it. it's been cordial around the table and our staffs seem to be getting along very well. you know how the hill is, you get the staffs working well together -- >> good things happen. >> no nicknames. >> pastries? >> no. we've just been diet coke here and water there. >> you're busy. congressman clyburn, thank you and congratulations on your 50th wedding anniversary. still ahead, best selling author, pete hamill will join us and bulls and heat face off in the first game of the eastern conference finals and let's just say it wasn't a good night for dwyane wade. we'll be right back.
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expectations and the money poured into that franchise. >> what about the yankees? >> yeah, little team that could. >> i think i can. i think kay i can. >> just a bunch of old guys getting the band together. one last run at the title. >> they are getting led zeppelin. they are getting more money than anybody else. >> you know the barry manilow song "weekend in the bronx." >> i don't know that one. >> just haven't heard that one. >> they sort of suck. >> the yankees -- don't say that about the yankees. >> keep talking. let's do basketball. >> keep that bad language in mind. >> you were 0-6. >> you were counting the sox out at the end of april. >> not us. >> not you and me or mike barnacle. >> no, barnacle knew. >> he was down. >> you know -- >> he called them must win the fourth game of the season. this is a must win. i know it's august 3rd. >> bart kel -- >> april 3rd. >> so baseball is like life. baseball is life.
it's a long, long thing. and -- but after the first month we decided baseball is like life, but right now life itself -- >> here's what happened last night. a late game on espn. yankees got out to a lead. youkilis comes up. >> i thought they were booing. >> he broke his bat on that swing but still powered it out. there's this whole jorge posada drama. he refused to play on saturday. the bottom line, the red sox won 7-5 and sweep the new york yankees. the red sox are back to wt 500 -- at .500 after the start. they are not hitting at all. >> no. >> jeter is not hitting. a-rod is not hitting. teixeira. >> at least they have a good defensive lineup. >> a-rod had a tough play there late. >> looks like a nursing home out there on the field when the
yankees are on the field. walkers at shortstop. >> keep talking. >> what are we going to be saying when the yankees sweep us in august which they always do the third week in august. >> mr. may, exactly right. >> we'll see. we'll just see. >> we'll take the sweeps where we can get them. >> we always do what we can as yankee fans. >> let's let fate -- just let fate decide. >> exactly. >> basketball last night, bulls/heat, eastern conference finals. first game. a lot of people excited about this. lebron, derek rose, dwyane wade. here's how dwyane wade spent his evening. being dunked on by taj gibson. a two-hander. the game was tied at the half. wow. what a play. the bulls did pull away in the second half. chris bosh with a dunk there. 30 points to lead the heat. tight defense all night on lebron. 15 points. only 15 points. blocked by gibson in the fourth
quarter. >> does scottie pippen still play? >> derek rose, 28 points. the league mvp. watch this dunk by gibson. the cap on the night. comes out of nowhere. >> oh, my goodness. >> sweeps it in. >> what happened? >> great time for taj. >> i don't follow the nba that closely. where did the bulls come from? >> derek rose. they have carlos boozer in the off-seas. joakim noah and a bunch of role players. they built a team. they didn't just grab a bunch of stars. they built the parts. >> and they beat the heat three times this season. the bulls have not beaten the heat this year, 0-4. >> is your money on the bulls? >> mine is. >> over the dream team. >> bulls/dallas. >> incredible. >> you know, i may have to watch. >> they are very good. and fun to watch. >> we're not doing the soccer match. >> man u. >> man u. won the -- >> show you really quickly. a lot of americans are very
interested in this. manchester united are also known as the evil empire. won their 19 autoisn't that man city? >> yep. >> yeah, thank you. that's actually man city winning the fa cup against stoke. but manchester united -- >> you can take that down, t.j. >> it's still wrong. >> it's fa cup. if you see the powder blue jerseys, it's the wrong game, t.j. >> sorry about that. >> t.j.'s greatest hits. >> it's just sad, isn't it? >> anyway, manchester united. 19th title. here's man u. and 19th title. >> look at the green -- >> they actually go ahead of liverpool. >> goalie is like a leprechaun. >> one city united. >> magic! >> thank you t.j. boy, i'm glad we got aflac huh.
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hello. i'm either tim pawlenty, mitch daniels or gary johnson. i understand with such a crowded field of candidates it's hard to tell us apart. we all look the same and our names are boring. but whoever i am, there are some things i know to be true. i know that i'm a white male between the ages of 45 and 60. i know that i am not donald trump or newt gingrich because you know what they look like. but i might be john huntsman or john thooun. my dad, the military, dogs, church stuff.
i'm tim paw lent emitch daniels, john thune, john huntsman, mitch johnson, tim daniels or hunt mitchman. and i approve this message. >> paid for by -- >> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast as you take a live look at new york city. returning to the set, mark halperin, john heileman and also in washington, pat buchanan. let's start with the gop. the 2012 presidential race is starting to take shape as republican contenders get serious about their campaigns. rumored candidate mike huckabee announced he would not seek the republican nomination on his fox news show saturday night. he later explained the decision on "fox news sunday." >> i think that i would have made a fine president, but it really came down for me to a very personal, a very intimate and as i explained last night in the announcement, a spiritual decision. last night, i laid my head on the pillow and had a very good night's sleep. i was at peace with the
decision. and am today. >> there may be a point at which i endorse but right now i'll see how the race unfolds and listen carefully to how they develop their message. i'm going to support the republican nominee. i'm a republican. and unless a person is way out there and is not clear on issues that to me are nonnegotiable, like the sanctity of life, i think donald trump would be better for america than barack obama because he understands business. donald trump has taken a pro-life position. heebls we're getting shanghai'd by china, which i agree with. >> as for donald trump, the "new york post" reports he plans to announce today whether or not he will run. one who is definitely in the race, newt gingrich, sat down with david gregory on "meet the press" yesterday where he criticized a house republican plan that would overhaul medicare. >> i'm against obama care which is imposing radical change and i would be against a conservative imposing radical change. i believe all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care. i think the idea that --
>> you agree with mitt romney on this point? >> i agree all of us are responsible to help pay for health care. i think there are ways to do it that make most libertarians rather happy. i've said we ought to have some requirement to either have health insurance or you post a bond nor some way indicate you'll be held accountable. >> but that is the individual mandate, isn't it? >> it's a variation on it. >> also ron paul out there. >> there's so much to talk about here. i want to work back to mike huckabee. but let's first dissect what newt said. did he just, mark halperin, call paul ryan's health plan radical? >> he did two pretty incredible things. newt gingrich calling you radical is something you really need to think through and figure out what his orientation is. he said the republican plan went too far. >> yeah. >> he's the first major republican figure to not only not embrace ryan but to repudiate ryan and say it's too far. it's a bridge too far for the party and for the country. and he also basically went back
to the position that most republicans had during the clinton years which is an individual mandate is a pretty darn good way to deal with our health care program. those 24 out there positions. >> pat buchanan, i don't get it with newt. of course, i rarely do. he's now -- is he the moderate that he was when he first started running in 1974? has he read the polls and now suddenly, instead of saying i'm going to be the fire breather he's now seeking the mushy middle? >> he has really cut himself off, not simply from the tea party, but from the vast majority of the republican party when you talk about that individual mandate that cuccinell ni virginia is challenging to the supreme court and the whole party is against. and secondly as mark said he not only distanced himself from ryan's plan, which i understand. he repudiated it almost
entirely. >> he called it radical. heerchlts called it radical. he is out in basically -- he's now the the left wing of the republican party on the most crucial, i think, economic issue besides the economy itself. >> i've got to say, this confirms my biggest concern about newt gingrich over the past 15 years that rhetorically, he's far, far right, but when push comes to shove, he's in the mushy middle. he didn't get run out of washington by us in '98 because, pat, he was a fire breather. he got run out of washington because he kept cutting deals with democrats. and they attacked us for being too conservative fiscally. what's his game here, pat? >> you know, i don't understand this, joe. i can't think of a prominent republican nationally who is coming out for a national, individual mandate -- >> not just that.
attacking paul ryan as being radical. john heileman, what's his game? you and newt gingrich -- ywhat' his game? >> i find myself in the uncomfortable position of defending newt gingrich. first of all, as mark said, on the individual mandate it may be now the main stream of the republican party is -- considers that an athemma. it is not only what they thought in the 1990s but five years ago there were governors all over the country, republican governors who thought the individual mandate was the right way to deal with health care. that's one thing. >> let's talk about paul ryan, though. calling paul ryan's plan radically? >> language is very harsh. but i don't think there's going to be a single republican main stream candidate who is going to embrace paul ryan's budget for president. some will not go that far as to call it radical, but you will not hear, i don't think, tim pawlenty, mitt romney and others
embrace paul ryan's budget. the polls are, with respect to what paul ryan wants to do to medicare. the polls are too negative for the mainstream presidential candidates to embrace that. i will be shocked if one of the others wraps his arms around paul ryan. >> these presidential candidates are going to be the -- >> trying to get elected. >> pat, they are going to be the republicans of the george w. bush years. spin, spin, spin. >> you know, i'll tell you. what newt is doing is what the left wing of the democratic party is doing in that district up in new york which is trashing paul ryan as a radical, as you said, joe. it's not simply saying ryan's got a courageous proposal. i'm taking a look at it. it's trashing it. this is the position the democratic party and barack obama, right now politically which they'll take into the campaign of 2012, hammering ryan as a radical and newt gingrich has dealt them aces.
>> it was newt 1974 and '76 when he ran as a rockefeller republican. let me ask you. at least on spending. at least on spending. it's shocking. no, it's not shocking because it's newt. willie, what are we going to do? what we are going to do when we can't have mike huckabee on 12 times a week? i am disappoint he's not running. >> he carried our show in 2008. mondays with mike. tuesdays with mike. prayers to mike. blessings with mike. squirrels in a crock pot with mike. >> can you stay through the break, mike. >> he did the weather once, i believe. >> he did the weather. >> mike, a great candidate. i think probably, i think, personally, the strongest republican candidate, willie. >> top of some of the polls. >> i guess this comes down about his personal life. he's making a ton of money. he's happy. he hasn't had money in his life. as donald trump pointed out. bizarre greeting on huckabee's show. your ratings are terrific.
you are building a big house in florida. life is good for you. why do you want to get into this race? what's interesting is this makes a big opening for someone to fill that social conservative hole. >> both at the grassroots level and elite leadership level. religious conservatives wanted huckabee to run. they now do not have an obvious place to go. >> why didn't he run? >> god told him not to. that's what he said. >> i don't think he said it that way, and, you know, i -- there's nothing wrong with praying before a big decision. >> no, not at all. but i'm saying that's the reason he gave. >> he didn't say god told him not to. >> he sort of did. >> he said -- his faith plays a big part in decisions, a lot of our decisions that we make. but politically, mark halperin, pretend you don't live on the upper west side. >> that's hard for him. >> we have never had -- i mean, this race is crazy and wide open. we've never had the iowa
front-runner, south carolina front-runner, evangelical christian front-runner just not say i'm not going to do it. it's never happened before. >> joe, i spent time with him like three months ago. i wrote a column about this. i sat there and talked to him in a casual way. i was interviewing him. i got the distinct impression then he would make this decision. and if you just listen to him talk about the thing -- about how happy he was about his business endeavors, the money he was making, the house he was building and how enthused he was about that, versus the way he talked about the prospect of running for president which was with -- he wanted to be taken seriously. and the fact people didn't take him as seriously as he thought he should be taken, that animated some resentment in him. there was no -- i night use the cliche. but he did not have a fire in the belly. he was a well -- i can see the arguments for it, but and he talked passionately about the house he was building. >> i wonder if and we've heard
for some time that it's not like he doesn't like raising money. but barack obama is going to raise over a billion dollars this year. i don't think it's about the money he's making now. i think it's about the price tag for getting into this presidential race. and he didn't want to spend every second raising the money he would have to raise. >> ultimately, it's can you beat obama? and that was a big difference between the two of them. >> i think mike huckabee better than anybody else, i think mike huckabee could have beaten barack obama. i don't think there's anybody nels the field i would say that about today. i think mike huckabee with the right money skrould beaten barack obama. >> people around the president agree with you. >> so throw some more names in there. >> he was the one guy. >> where does this leave us? >> mitt romney. donald trump. >> that's it. two-person race. >> george will wrote this leaves us with tim pawlenty and mitch daniels. didn't even mention mitt romney. does this make it more likely that mitch daniels gets in?
>> i don't think it impacts his decision. another guy without a lot of fire in the belly. >> pat, what do you think? >> i agree that huckabee was about the strongest candidate in the primaries and the caucuses, the republicans had. he, like sarah palin and michelle baughman got these followings and all this energy and fire. this leaves a huge vacuum out there. my sges huckabee isn't getting in for mika's reason. he looked at it and looked down the road and didn't think he could beat obama. i think he would really have fire and energy behind his candidacy, but i disagree in the general election. i still think romney is stronger for this reason. romney can win blue states even if he's not loved by red states. huckabee is loved by the red states but i think he really bumps his head when he comes north of the mason-dixon line. >> okay. >> i'll just say one last thing. i think every republican should remember, one of the most attractive things about mike huckabee back in 2008 was that
incredibly pithy and brilliant line about when he described himself. i'm a conservative but i'm not mad at anyone. and that temperament is something that republicans would do well to try to replicate going forward in 2012. all the candidates should focus on that. it's very important. >> also while we talk about his faith and his prayers, he's also a christian, but -- and a preacher, but not an angry christian or preacher. he actually would not support cutting off home heating oil assistance to the poor. he called be called a matthew 25 christian. he believes you don't use the poor as political stunts. to say i'm going to cut this program or cut that program for the poor. and that may have been, mika, why certain organizations on the right did not like him. he was not harsh enough in many
respects. especially on economic issues. >> it's a weird time for the republican party. one other thing that's going on. >> a weird time for the imf fellow. this is one of the stories that gets on the front page of the "daily news," "the new york post" and the "financial times" because it's affecting world markets. the head of the international monetary fund and possible presidential contender in france, dominique strauss-kahn is expected to be arraigned later this morning after he allegedly sexually assaulted a hotel maid in new york. younkts kn you know what they think in pensacola. they think sarkozy set him up. my aunt said, come on. come on. >> aunt carolyn thinks sarkozy set this guy up. >> i don't think we want to quote aunt carolyn right now. >> he was arrested on saturday before he was about to take off in an air france plane from kennedy international airport. authorities knew where to find him after he had called the
hotel about his missing cell phone. police coached hotel security to tell the imf chief his phone would be returned to him at the airport. after strauss-kahn boarded his plane, police came in to make the arrest. >> so the moral of this story is just leave your cell phone behind? >> no, serious charges here. quiet now. strauss-kahn spent most of yesterday at the manhattan special victims unit as prosecutors looked for additional evidence. >> what's the story? he assaulted somebody? >> yes, a maid went running down the hall -- >> come on, man. come on. >> that's the charge. that's the charge. >> just come on. seriously? >> that's the charge. >> you can tell i'm back in new york. we got halpern over here going he -- he prayed? and -- >> welcome back. >> i said what huckabee said the reason was. i don't think there's anything
wrong with it. it's the best way to make a decision. >> george washington did it. good enough for george. it's good enough for me. >> yeah iagree. >> what? >> what do you mean? george washington would always pray before -- >> i thought you were talking about -- >> no. >> sorry. >> can't keep up with you. all right. trying to keep people from making jokes about a serious rape charge, attempted rape. >> no, i was talking about prayer. pete hammel takes us inside his latest novel tabloid city. also, carrie kennedy will be here on set. first, bill cairns with a look at the weather. >> right here, 38 minutes and counting. that's how long until we bring you the live pictures of "endeavour's" final launch from the kennedy space center. everything is a go now. weather looks fine. no technical problems. mostly sunny down there. you couldn't ask for a better morning for a gorgeous liftoff.
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that's right. i'm not hiding anything anymore. i'm not hiding hussein either. i might even drop the barack. president hussein obama. i'm not going to say obama care. i'm going to say guy who killed bin laden care. yeah, yeah. where are the jobs? i got a job opening. al qaeda number one, now accepting applications. can i get one more of these please? thank you. but we can do a little touchdown dance. remember the shuffle? killed bin laden. >> 23 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us, journalist pete hamill who is out with a new book "tabloid city." i look forward -- this looks good. >> you have provided for us a
decadent carnival. >> yes. >> explain. >> a decadent carnival? >> that's a good line. >> publishers. >> i didn't write it. i swear. >> but you have all the elements. you've got a wealthy socialite murder, tabloid -- >> a good address. tabloids. everything. so talk -- >> terrorists, jihadists. >> oh, good lord. it's all there. thairchlt >> they're all there. first, it's a kind of lament for the shrinking of newspapers that gave me my life. 50 years with tabloids. but also i wanted it to be like a tabloid. i wanted to kind of cast. you know, i wanted it moving fast. i wanted it lean and doing things that you can't do in the newspaper where you can have an interior life. you can understand who they are.
>> yeah. >> better than you could if you were just reading it in the daily news. >> talk about the tabloids. you say that given the city life and there are so many people that will tell you, you know, you say read "the new york times" cover to cover. but the first thing they pick up is "the new york post" or the daily news. it's kind of like that's their local paper. >> that's what i do, still. the times is here and i'm reading the news. >> yeah. >> i think because they were born here and they were born in a subway city, they were the paper that most people read. you know, because you can manipulate them in the subway and still read them. you couldn't do that with the times which, in those days, was this wide. >> yeah. >> and captain patterson started them in 1919. lucked out because the dumbest law in american history, prohibition, came along and gave
the tabloids the cast that they were waiting for. there were gangsters for the next 40 or 50 years that were manufactured during prohibition and created the kind of country we live in. >> yeah. >> so i wanted to celebrate that because i had some of the best times of my life in the company of these people. they were obscene. they were -- i know about five of them that couldn't work anymore once they stopped smoking in the city room. they literally couldn't work. >> couldn't work. >> john heileman is a writer. you'll appreciate this. this is one of those books. it goes almost 300 pages, but it just encompasses 24 hours. it is so difficult to make something move. it's a tight narrative set out
over a number of pages. it pains me to criticize him for having sucked up so egregiously to this show. he mentions "morning joe" three times in the book. >> i love it. >> you wondier he's sitting here. that's the answer. >> they find a corpse in front of the television set which "morning joe" is. >> there's a lot of f-bombs dropped a great deal in the book. make joe feel comfortable. >> a lot prove fanity in the book. we're all in favor of that. >> very profane. >> you are a tabloid guy. you mentioned before you worked at tabloids for a long time. i'm always curious. there's a lot of details in here. how much of this is romana clef. how much of it comes from actually your experiences -- >> well, a lot of it is my experience, but the experiences of other guys, too. you know, generationally, that was the last great generation that came into the tabloid business. and it created columnists like
breslin and murray kempton, nora ephron. all of them had their starts there. in a novel, you are always assembling two or three people into one. you are creating fictional characters to try to make them as true as you can make it to the spirit of what you are trying to say. and it can't only be you. you can't. although it was famously said, madam bovary is me. i guess all the women in here are me, too. although flo bear i'm not. >> we talk about this book being a lament of time gone by in print journalism. what are your thoughts about that? mike barnacle talks about it a lot. sitting in a big open newsroom, smoking cigarettes, running out knock on doors, making phone calls. what do you think the state of journalism is? >> because i teach at nyu, i'm a
floater down there, and i see these young kids. i am more optimistic than i was before i went down there. they have the passion. they want to do this thing. they want to have meaningful lives. they don't want to just get rich. and so i'm optimistic about journalism. but the newspaper is bound to shrink. 70% of the cost of putting a newspaper out is paper, ink and trucks. that means 30% is going to journalism. and we're seeing now with, for example, "daily beast." the professionalizing of the internet journalism. you are seeing a kind of professional level, which i think will spread where there's editors, where these kids get paid for doing what they do. it's not a hobby. and so i'm optimistic about journalism. but not necessarily about the newspapers. >> you have written so much
about new york. you love new york. and you've done it again here. this is a thriller. but it's really -- the star is the city, right? >> absolutely. >> and again, so many -- i mean, hedge fund types, everything. when you started the book out, what was your goal? what did you want to do here? >> i wanted to -- two things. one was to evoke the feeling of a tabloid. >> right. >> which is dissipating. you know, the serendipity of walking into a newsroom and the sports -- somebody in sports gives you a good political idea because he can't write it in sports and he bounces it off you and off you go. but also, to remember that the cast in the city this big, 8 million people, nobody knows the city. i don't know it. nobody knows it.
it's too big and varied and layered and all that. but this amazing complexity. even by -- from people you meet passing in the street. there's a novel crossing the street and you don't know it. >> yeah. >> so i was trying to get into the interior life which by definition you aren't allowed to do in journalism and shouldn't do. journalism can't pretend to know what's going on in anybody's head. >> right. >> you can -- even when they say it, people lie. there's a famous breslin story where there's a fire in some place and the lower east side. he goes to cover it. there's a guy there who is the hero of the event. he saved a couple of babies on the first floor or something. breslin writes it all down, puts it in the paper the next day and that's the day they indict him for starting the fire. >> there you go. >> but jimmy had another column and told him how he will burn in hell for offending breslin.
by lying. >> pete hamill, the new book "tabloid city." you can gept an excerpt on our website, joe.msnbc.com. pete hamill, thank you so much. >> good to have you back. on the new blackberry playbook? ♪ flash, aah-ah that's right. it runs flash. so unlike some tablets we could mention, you get the best of the internet - not just part of it. ♪ flash, aah-ah ♪ flash, aah-ah
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documentary "children of promise," the legacy of robert f. kennedy, examining rfk's vision for the nation's youth. and rfk's life lives nonthe work being done by the rfk center for justice and human rights. joining us now, the president of the rfk center for justice and human rights, kerry kennedy. kerry, good to have you back on. >> i'm very excited. >> spring auction. >> what your excited about? >> first of all, there's a meet and greet with both of you right here on "morning joe." >> we don't need to talk anymore. >> tell us what you are excited about. >> we are all done. >> i think the best is going with donna karan on her private plane and ben stiller to haiti to see the work that they are doing there and some of the work the rfk center is doing in haiti. >> what are you guys doing in haiti right now? >> we are working on the right to water and really on the right
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floods coming to louisiana and we don't have those same rights here. so that's another issue that we're working on. >> working on domestically. mika, hold on to your arteries because the next two are going to clog them. >> lunch with david axelrod. >> i might bid on that. >> that would be a lot of fun. the other thing we were just talking about is paula deen cooking lesson in savannah. >> it's about butter. >> that's really something -- i could see a lot of people bidding on that. i see the estimated price is $25,000. good lord. >> the one i'm going to bid on -- >> here it comes. >> wait a minute. >> backstage with ringo. how about that? how did you get that? and where can i write my check? >> you have to pay your dues if you want to sing the blues. >> it comes easy here. 5,000 bucks. >> you have to go look at the
rfk website. it's www.rfkcenter.org and you can bid on all of these things. two nights in palm springs hotel or palm springs home of frank sinatra or four tickets to taylor swift and see her afterwards. >> i'm focussing in on ringo. we've got a shot at ringo. i'm very excited about that. talk about where you guys are right now with -- you, obviously, you've got the awards every year. last year jon stewart hosted it. fabulous. >> and you were the co-host which -- >> we pitched the ball. you do such great work. what are your goals for the coming year? >> we're working in darfur on truth and reconciliation commission. we're working right here in new york state on farm workers' rights. in new york state, farm workers don't have the right to a day off per week.
i met one fellow who worked for ten years in new york state without one day off. a duck farmer here in new york. so the right to form a union which they don't have. the right to workers comp, to extra pay for extra work. so that sort of thing. >> pat, will you go -- what are you bidding on? >> we'll go backstage and talk to ringo. will you do that? >> no, taylor swift, joe. >> see? >> that doesn't surprise me from buchanan. >> such a smart man. >> he always stays -- when is your awards ceremony for the journalism? >> we give the journalism and book awards on wednesday evening. so that will be down in washington, d.c., and hosted by my mother and john seigenthaler. so that should be great. and then our human rights award
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mission. we have nbc space correspondent jay barbary covering this with us. he has covered every single one, all 164 up until now. just a few seconds as we count down to liftoff. a special day especially given the fact that commander kelly's wife will be on hand. >> that's right. she's here just, oh, a couple hundred yards from us looking with the rest of the families, watching for the takeoff here. and this will be the 165th flight, as you said. and that's 134th shuttle. we had 31 flights before that of the mercury, gemini and apollos. now we're getting ready to launch. and it's next to the last one, mika in the shuttle series. >> well, very exciting on a number of levels. commander mark kelly will be on board, of course, heading this mission. his wife congressman gabby giffords was shot in the head back in january. she is on location.
she tweeted this morning, who is ready for the best show on earth? and, of course, it always is an incredible scene to watch a space shuttle lift off, jay. >> sure is, mika. and listen. we're getting close now. just a little more than 30 seconds from this liftoff. and when we get close, we will go to george diller and launch control. he'll take us through. mission control will pick up with kyle haren and we'll be able to watch "endeavour" make its last flight climbing into orbit in about eight minutes. we are now moving to within 15 seconds of the flight and we should be hearing the final countdown now from george diller in mission control. george? >> 8, 7, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, zero and liftoff for the final launch of "endeavour," expanding our
knowledge, expanding our lives in space. >> houston, "endeavour." >> roger roll, "endeavour." >> houston is now controlling "endeavour." beginning to roll over on to its back. the roll program under way as "endeavour" begins the heads-down position for a 136 by 36 mile orbit course. >> okay. we're not getting the narration that we normally get from mission control. here we go with kyle haren. >> maximum dynamic pressure on the vehicle in the lower atmosphere. approaching one minute into the flight. >> "endeavour," go -- >> what we're looking at -- >> roger, go and throttle up.
>> "endeavour's" three -- >> commander kelly telling them to go at throttle up. that's commander mark kelly. >> traveling 1,300 miles an hour. now 12 miles. >> a beautiful launch. everything right on course now. we're watching it climb up here getting ready in 30 seconds for the solid rockets to burn out. >> it's already lost half the weight in propellant now. burned that weight. the next is burn out and separation of the twin solid rocket boosters. that upcoming shortly at the 2:03 point. those boosters are burning 11,000 pounds of fuel per second. >> kyle herring reporting to us from mission control houston. >> standing by. >> there goes the burnout of the solids. >> the solid rocket boosters.
>> you can see it now. there's the solids. they are separating. you can see it from the on-board camera. you can see the solids. look as them as they are pulling away from "endeavour." relatively now, "endeavour" is safe. it's moving into orbit on its own three engines. >> booster separation. the orbiters traveling 3,200 miles per hour down range 50 miles, altitude 37. >> all right. you've watched the final liftoff of the space shuttle "endeavour" now. successful one. nbc space correspondent jay barbary, thank you for telling us what we are seeing. this is of course, the 164th mission. >> we'll stay with you throughout the morning. thank you so much. >> that does it for us for now. stay tuned for willie geist filling in on "the daily rundown." >> space shuttle "endeavour" sailing into fair winds on its final historic voyage. this view looking down the external fuel tank. the orbiter there on the top